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Santa Barbara (California), November 5, 2006
Marco: Could you describe what are the basic principles of Holodynamics?
Vern: Well Holodynamics means, the hole dynamic. It encompases the findings of the new sciences and applies them to the human condition that is our own consciousness. So some times this is considered the aplication of the sciences to consciousness. So I like to find complex problems, that we havent been able to solve and use the new information to solve the problems.
Marco: What disciplines in science does holodynamics get its inspiration from?
Vern: So, it takes the new findings from quantum physics, like principles like everything is connected, everything is driven by a potential, everything is conscious, matter is made up of spinners of information or information in motion, so everything is basically conscious, so therefore when we study reality, we have to study the conscious dimension of reality and then we take the Implicate Order, David Bohms work and Gabors work on Holographics and information theory and things like that, and we have discovered as much in the last few years as we have in all written history before us. So we apply this to solving complex problems in the world.
Marco: When you talk in your books about the Full Potential Self (FPS), are you talking about the subconscious?
Vern: Actually, subconscious is a misnoumer... it may not apear to be conscious, but everything is conscious. So, when you are in a certain framework, and here we use people as Carl Townsends work on many dimensions... you know, theres at least ten dimensions enfolded in our four dimensional wold of space and time. So when you get to these enfolded dimensions, you are conscious of everything. So one of this dimensions, for instance, thats enfolded is Hyperspace, wich is considered by many people to be over 97 per cent of reality, but you cant see it. And the reason that you cant see it is because, as Karl Pribram and others have said, all your senses are covered of holographic screens. So we have fine grained screens and gross grained screens and these form holographic images, they do a Gaborian type of three dimensional transform and integrate that acording to Frolich frequencies, that are 10 to the minus 33, into your microtubules, and there they are stored as holographic images. So all your thoughts and your feelings and even your behaivior patterns are holographic in nature and also quantum in nature. So those who want to understand consciousness must understand the quantum dynamics, the frequencies that are being used and how the microtubules transmit these and create coherence through the body. They call these frequencies Frolich frequencies because Herbert Frolich predicted that we would find them in 1968, so when we found them we named them after Frolich.
Marco: When you talk about reaching your FPS in your interviews and your books, it seems like something really easy but I understand that for many people it wont be so, so... what do you have to do, you have to imagine it or you have to feel something special or is there some way to know when you are talking with your rational, intuitive or full potential self?
Vern: Well first of all, your FPS is the name that we give for the potential that drives you, cause every set of circumstances is driven by potential, and so each human is a set of circumstances, so we are all driven by a potential. As soon as you gain acces to the dimension of hyperspace, wich a lot of people call the spiritual dimensions or other names that the ancients had given it, but in physics, for instance, if you use Roger Penrose he is a brain surgeon, out of London, and also one of the worlds great matematicians, and also a quantum physicist, and he is realy interested in the neurology of consciousness. So he and some others, Stuart Hameroff and so forth, have gotten together about the microtubules and they hold big world conferences on this now for the last few years, because the microtubules, if you anestethise them, you are no longer conscious, you have no brain elasticity, no pain, no sensitivity, no memory, nothing. So they know that the microtubules are involved and so once you get into the microtubules you learn to acces those conciously.
You can actualy do that really easely, its not dificult, and all I have to do is ask you... well, like... imagine an apple... and then ask you what is the color of the apple... and imediately, you can tell me what the color is. And people have diferent colors. So now, imagine, the potential thats driving you. And people will imediately come up with these amazing beings of light and so forth, that are their full potential selves manifesting here. So if you take people like Steven Hawking, you know, hes a phisicist from Cambridge and in his book “The Universe in a Nut Shell”, he takes all the principles of physics and talks about them, has nice pictures, easy to read and all of that, and towards the end of the book he concludes, so we live in a holographic universe and we have a projection coming from hyperspace, or that space outside of the range of our holographic senses, but thats got all these matter in it and thats more complex than we are, so he uses the holographic principle and says... this more complex dimension of reality is projecting its information here, on this spacetime continuum called earth, and thats what gives us form.
And then you look at the work of people that are studying the DNA, and you find out that DNA is formed by spinners coming out of hyperspace, and all kinds of things are going into hyperspace and out of hyperspace. In fact half the universe is younger than we are because it has apeared and then disapeared into hyperspace in our lifetime, you know, like half the universe has done this so we are younger than half the universe and older than the other half. So therefore, you see, when you look at all these you begin to look at reality in a hole diferent way and you sudenly realise that this world is not just what it appears to be through our holographic screen senses and once you get into that, you can get into hyperspace, meet your FPS and your FPS will gide you to understand all the other dimensions. So when you reach that, and its easy to reach, you just imagine it, and, you know people say, “its just imagination”, but in reality its not. Nature is full of imaginal cells, like catterpilars have imaginal cells, when they wip into that cocoon, wrap themselves up, the imaginal cells begin to multiply and they form the butterfly. And so it is in human beings, our imaginal cells are able to create all kind of advances in our own consciousness, so we are still an immature species according to people like Elisabeth Sartorius, who is an evolutionary biologist and she says... we have all the symptoms of an immature species, we hurt things, we do nothing but consume, we dont care about our other species, we have no respect for other people and so forth, we are immature. And we are in the process of maturing. So Barbara Marx Hubbard says, look, we have evolved to a certain phase and now we are going trough the next phase, and she calls it the butterfly phase, so, thats were we are and we are using David Bohms implicate order to help with the patterning... we have discovered the pattern by wich consciousness emerges, so we can see and use our imagination and do all that and work it all together and when we put it all together we call it the hole dynamic, or holodynamics.
Marco: Do the colors and shapes that people see, when they get into their intuitive sensory perception, match with particular pathologies or maybe have something to do with the platonic solids from wich any form is made up of, or are they simply random shapes for everybody?
Vern: Well you just asked me three questions, and, you know... who says that everything is made up of platonic solids? Thats an interesting theory that is not anywhere near complete, because when they spent 600 million dollars this year on a Cyclotron to break up little particles to find out they are made of little spinners of information... and you can call those what ever you like, but they are information spinners coming from hyperspace. So thats what everything is made out of. When that information takes form, it forms into patterns, because its coded to do that. Even our DNA patterns are coded to do that. And the DNA is caused by spinners from hyperspace, so we look at that and say, mmm... so therefore, here I am a human being and I have these thoughts and feelings and pathologies, some of them are self destructive, some of them are immature and some of them are ineffective. So we have clasifications for them and we have all these people trained to make sure they can analize all that stuff.
The brain that analizes is not the brain that heals or forms into integration and takes everyhting appart, so you are in an analisis paralisis and we build bigger and bigger hospitals and we have more and more people that we put in them, send them into prisons and so forth, but all these pathologies, so to speak, or ineffective behaveviours are in fact immature holodynes, theyre immature information systems. And what weve done is that is weve set it up so that our culture, all our clubs and our teachings, our schools, our religions, everything. Everything teaches these pathologies and models them for us, because we are an immature species, so we do the best we can and I have nothing, you know, nothing but good to say about all those systems.
But when we decided to apply this information in the Utah state mental hospital scene, we simply tought the family members who had an identified pacient in the hospital, how to look at these holodynes and mature them. When they did, their family system, wich is their collective counciousness thats creating the major force in mental illness, and, you know, psiquiatrists hate it when I say that because then everybody feels guilty in the family, and then they all are left with just nothing to do because most psicologists and psiquiatrists who are in the mental hospitals dont know what to do about the problems there, and they are all experimenting and all that kind of thing and they are using a framework that never will work, because its a linear framework, and linear organization is only one form of the way that information forms.
There are three forms. One is particle and thats classical physics and particle science... Newton and Copernicus and all the rest. And a next one was Niels Bohr with quantum physics, wich said look... everything is built according to harmonics. So there is a perfect harmonic for every element. And at first all the particle physicists thought that he was a crack pot and laughed him off the stage, but he said, there are three elements that had never been discovered yet, according to the harmonics. And then they discovered the three elements. The result was that Niels Bohr became a legitimate, then, branch of science and they put a quanta arround the harmonics and they called it quantum mechanics. And eventually it evolved into quantum physics. Now 40 per cent of the inventions, these last couple of years have been based on quantum physics... the atomic bomb could not have been developed without it, we never would have got to the moon without it, and now physics everywhere is taking on the branch called quantum and quantum is more accurate by twice the range than is particle physics.
So particle physics is accurate from 10 to the minus 7 to 10 to the plus 7. It can predict in that range. But when you get to 10 to the minus 14 you have to use quantum physics in that range and it goes from 10 to the minus 14 to 10 to the plus 14, so it has doubled our range of accuracy and predictibility, but, consciousness is at 10 to the minus 33, so quantum physics still has very little to say about consciousness except, that when you get these holographic images, called holodynes, iside the water molecules of your microtubules, then these holodynes, these information systems, give off frequencies, and they are quantum frecuencies, and therefore they travel in quantum dynamics. And when you get into that you see that quantum dynamics can create integration through your hole body. So if you want to say I want to lift my left arm it realy does lift your left arm and not your right leg, so you know exacly what you are doing in your body cause its coherent and you have like a trillion lifeforms in your body and they are all coherent because of the frequencies of quantum dynamics in the body and those frequencies are controlled not by the brain, but by the holodynes inside your microtubules. Thats why you can take a single cell and reproduce the entire body , because all the information is holographic. Whats known to the part is known to the hole and what is known to the hole is known to the part.
Marco: Are you willing to speak publicly about the Global Alliance (GA)?
Vern: I can talk about the GA, yes.
Marco: Okay then. We know about some of the work you have done in schools, in the psiquiatric hospital, in prisons, russia and the middle east, but what are your projects right now, are you working in something besides teaching your holodynamic seminars?
Vern: Yes. We are working on a major alliance... We look at global warming and whats happening to the ocean and whats happening around the planet. And our present patterns of living on the planet are not sustaineable. That is, if we continue in the patterns we are in, we will in fact, because of our inmaturity, simply kill the planet. So the yellow slime that is forming in the sewage outlet pipes all over the ocean bottom are literally producing a primal bacteria that is so lethal that if you touch it , it creates boils on your skin that wont go away for weeks, no matter what you do. So this is a very dangerous bacteria, its primal, its one of the ancient ones. And its there because of the sewage, so... its growing so fast that in 10 years the entire bottom of the ocean will be dead.
Now if you take that and combine it with global warming effects, and you listen to al gore and the different scientists, theres 12000 of them that have signed the petitions, saying this is the most critical crisis ever faced by the humanity. That the global warming is higher than it has ever been in the entire history, of the rocks or anything else and its continuing to climb and the artic circle is now perculating spotaneusly, so its kind of like spontaneous combustion and its giving off more methane and carbon dioxide than all human waste put together. So you put all that together with you know the sleepage of the greenland ice and the cracking of the raw shelf of the antartic. And you look at this and you think, mmm... whats the prediction? Extreme weather and its already occuring and you see all these conditions occuring all over the world and its now necesary to form a GA.
So here is some of the GA. One of things we are going to do is stop the pollution. We have technology that will stop the sewage disposal systems and totally handle the sewage so that we can retrieve the water and anything valuable in it and turn the rest of it in nano carbons. The nano carbons can be used to create batteries, that we call them superbatteries. And the superbatteries are like a capacitor battery but if you charge them, they are 250 times stronger than our batteries. So you charge a car with these batteries in them and the car would go for 10,000 miles without a recharge. So we can take the plant that does the remedies for toxic waste wich handles the sewage system, we call it S.T.E.P., wich is Super plasmic Treatment of Enviromental Pollution. So its STEP, and the step plant actually creates a sustaineable super plasmic arc, now this arc gets to, like a million degrees if you want so you can drop anything into it. You can take an old junk car and drop it in and have a retrieval process so that as the car melts all of the stuff that you want from the car you sligthen it off and it goes trough this oils and everything will just be totally retreivable so there isnt anything lost that you want to keep. Its just a retrieval process. And there will still be some stuff left that you dont want, and that turns into nano carbons and energy. So this plant will produce more energy by far than it uses, it disassembles molecular structures so you can make them back into whatever you want and all the precious resources on the planet are now retreivable. So we are forming a GA to retreive all of our precious resources so that the future generations have something to live with. Furthermore we are changing garbage, stuff we really dont want, into pure energy and nano carbons and thats what comes out of a STEP plant. And we collect the nano carbons on an electric grid and the hole thing is done in an environment so that its totally environmentally green, its clean. So we are forming this alliance, we are also forming an alliance so that when the weather conditions get extreme we will have a way to grow food thats weather proof, so we have all the technologies to do that. We will create houses that are weather proof, earthquake proof, flood proof... So this is an alliance to create a future thats sustaineable.
Marco: I also remember you explaining that the cars with these super batteries would be painted with...
Vern: Solar paint. Yeah, there is solar paint. And if you paint the car it will keep the battery charged. And if it doesent keep it charged it doesent matter you can paint the inside of your house and the outside, the inside will run all your appliances and the outside will run all your transportation vehicles and farming vehicles or whatever you want. So the solar paint is already a technology thats known, it just hasent got to market yet. So this alliance is to take new technologies that are needed and make them available all over the planet. We have posibilities for personal transceivers that fit on your rist. You can talk to anybody. You can hold a billion conversations on a single antenna. Its got a quantum antenna. Its only used by secret police stuff and military but never the less we are going to make it public, weather they like it or not. (You cant tap into it is theire problem, so we have to find a way to put security, but) All these can be done because I think people have a right to the information and we can put all the known information in the world on stacks of little terabite disks that are the size of a fifty cent piece and can be stacked so you can get a terabite of information, thats all the information any person normaly needs, but you can put all the known information on the planet there. And we have hundreds of scientists that are gathering all the known information.
Marco: So everything is being done already?
Vern: Well, its in the process. But it takes a GA. If you are not in the GA, then get in it. Its like, the future depends on us doing this. We can not contineau under the mental counscious state of inmaturity that we are at collectively and it takes inddividuals to help make that change and we can do it as a team. And thats what the GA is for and there are a lot of other things in there to. You know... so. Solving the problems, thats what we are there for. Health, by the way is one of the things in that alliance. Its possible to heal all viral, bacterial and fungal diseases and its also possible to heal psiquic diseases. The ones that are caused by holodynes and emotions and all that kind of thing. So those are all healeable and so what we need to do is create a wellness program for the collective. So we are setting up wellness centers. And we have a dialisis plus program, as we call it. Takes your blood out, heals all the diseases and puts the blood back in. Its run by cardiologists and profesional medical people who are part of the alliance. If you want to see that in action you can go to the santa beeve hospital, in Mexico just south of the border of the baja side, just below California.
Marco: Okay. Now I wanted to refer to something you explain in your book “the dance of life”. If we get down to the manta story, we could resume that a manta took you on a ride trough space. Does holodynamics change the way in wich you percieve reality arround you?
Vern: Yes. Once you get a bigger dimensional framework you see all kinds of things that people who dont have that framework, they cant see it. Because their holodynes inside thire microtubules have a holographic effect and the screens on your senses all shift. If like if you are falling in love with somebody, there is just nothing but good about them, so your screens shift so you can only sesnse whats good about that person, whats loveable. But as soon as you hate the person, your screens shift and then you cant see anything good about the person. So you shift into that framework. So we have been trained to think in four dimensional terms, but as soon as you get to an additional dimension, like holographics, and you realize this world really is a holographic universe, its part of a holographic universe being projected from hyperspace. Your entire view of everything, from blackholes... like, Steven Hawking says that you can understand two more dimensions of blackholes wich makes them really understandable... and if you dont get holographics you cant understand blackholes. So according to Hawking if you wanna understand them, learn holographics and then apply those principles and that framework and youll see it.
Well the same thing applies to counsciousness. If you dont understand holographics you cant understand counsciousness because every feeling you have and every thought you have is part of a holographic system and those two parts, the feeler and the thinker, work differently, one works on particle physics and the other works on wave dynamics, quantum physics. But thats not where the real key is, because there are no solutions to anything if you are a linear, particle, rational thinker. Furthermore, there are no solutions to anything either, if you are a wave, emotional, being of flower child of love. There are no solutions. And most people know that, so where are the solutions? The solutions occur in a third type of counsciousness. Its called creative intelligence or presence.
That type of consciousness has all the solutions because it works differently, its embracive with linear and emotional or linear and wave dynamics, so you can think rationally and come out as emotional, but its bigger. Its bigger because it comes from hyperspace. Its more complex. And there you learn that every problem is driven and caused by its solution. So all the problems that we are facing on the planet right now are part of the Covenant. Theres a covenant among all the FPSs of the people here and all live beings. So we have counterparts in hyperspace. Thats what Roger penrose says. He says, look, you have counterparts in hyperspace that are made of networks of spinners of information that precompute your entire menu of options before you can make a single thought. Because they are not bound by time. So this hyperspacial counterparts are active all the time. Now this is one of the great minds of our planet saying look, this is the best of science we can see in neurology and consciousness. And there are other people who agree with him and there are other people that are going through this hole thing sayin, well I dont agree with that and bla, bla, bla... and there is all the controversy that usually comes in a scientific arena. So what i did, is I said, first lets build a virtual reality, one in a computer, microtubules. And we discovered some amazing things.
We fed all this information in from different logarithms and found out that information organizes from inside the microtubules in the water and it spins from unorganized sections of the water between the Frolich frecuencies. And it organizes into more complex systems as it gets closer to the lining of the microtubule, wich is called the dimer switch. They are molecules that switch on and off and have valences. So we found out that it comes from a quantum potential field inside the water molecules of the microtubules and organizing itself more and more complexly. And its held itself in place by the valences of the microtubules and they grow arms were the valences cross, so they hold the valences in place like your finger in a guitar string.
Now what does all this mean? It simply means that you are getting information all the time from your FPS from hyperspace. Its projecting in to the very center of your microtubules and then it forms into holodynes wich then project thire frecuencies out, and thats what gives your body coherence. Your senses on the other hand create a two way street. Your senses take in information from your environment, take it through a gaborian type of transformation and turn it into frecuencies that then are aligned with the holodynes in your microtubules. Then these holodynes also grow because of the stimulus of the environment. You also can inherit holodynes. You can also get them from parallel dimensions. Now, parallel dimensions is a thing of controversy because you cant measure them, but you can certainly experience them and so thats how we were able to empty out over 80 per cent of the state mental hospital in Utah by simply teaching family members how to access the source of the mental disturbances and then go through a maturation process were we actually transform the sources into thire solutions and then all their symptoms dissapeared and the hospital could no longer keep them.
So there are all these things going on in the world and in order for us to solve our problems we need to overcome all our boxes that we are loked into and we need to get into the hole dynamic, and thats why we call this program holodynamics, its the hole dynamic. Dance of life talks about these consciousness. Shows you the three types of consciousness, shows the manta story is about the consciousness of nature and how more comprehensive that is than most people ever imagined, because they are connected to all consciousness. We are nested in the middle of that and theyve been here billions of years longer than we have. So we are like recent additions and we think that we are the superior race. Were not. We are still an inmature species and lots of critters on the earth can teach us lots of things we could not even imagine, thats what I learned from the manta. I said: how come you can fly among the stars? And it said: dont you know anything? And its true, we dont know anything hardly at all. So we gotta be a little more humbler and not to be able to just to be sensitive to whats really going on and listen to the planet and listen to nature cause it has real solutions to real challenges that we face.
Marco: When you talk of the state of being present, isnt that like the presence in meditation or in similar kind of practices?
Vern: Well, I think meditation is a wonderfull exercise and it just keeps you busy, thats what the dalai lama says. So, people who want to meditate can do that all theire lives if they like, and I call them hummers. What i am looking for is people who say: okay, Im going to get in touch with my hyperspacial counterpart and ask what can I do this day that will make a difference in the world and unfold my greatest potential. So that takes one seventieth of a second, so anybody that says that it takes 80 years in a cave is under an illusion, or even an hour, or half an hour, or have to have special music or anything else. Look, I walked into a gang war on the street one day and if I had have said, just settle down boys I am going to close my eyes and meditate, i had have been dead. But because i have the ability to see everyone at their FPS and react to their FPS, that gang war stopped. It took about half a minute to stop it. So the question is: would you rather be able to do that? Or would you rather feel comfortable meditating? Call it the same thing if you like. But we know that consciousness takes one seventieth of a second to register from the senses to the holodynes in your microtubules and then it takes no time at all for that information, to go collective. Cause everybody entuned with the same frecuencies can pick up exactly what you are sensing. So in quantum computers, one bit of information, one new bit, transforms the entire system, and we are quantum.
Marco: Okay, so... The next question has been already answered, but I want to make another inquiry. Ive known for some time that everything that exists is made up of the same things. And you, depending on your level, can call those things atoms, subatomic particles, strings or information systems. If we know that, why is it that we, in our conscious state of being, cant talk with everything that exists? Or could we talk with it?, like for example, this table.
Vern: Have you ever heard of anyone who is able to talk to a table? Have you ever heard of table tappers? Who get their answers from the tables? Or ouija boards? And they attribute this to some misterious extradimension. So have you ever heard of anybody who could walk on water? Jajaja... Not on this neigborhood. Jajaja. So, you see, there are all kinds of events in history that were recorded when people did fenomenal things. Cause if we live in.. like, if youve heard of Sai Baba? Sai Baba can pull things out of his mouth, make rings out of nothing and books out of sand and stuff like that. What is this? Its a holographic universe and when you get into the dimension in wich you can comunicate with things that are suposedly inanimate, but when you take them appart theres nothing there but information in motion. There are no little billiard balls. There are only little spinners of information. And you can access the spinners and you can negotiate. And it saved my live, the ability to do that. So I transformed the uranium. I had to transform it cause I could not take it out of my body when they injected it, so... It saved my live, so. Ask me how I know... Anybody can do it, you just have to know how.
Marco: Interesting. Well, Ive also done my own investigation in these fields and in not much time ive come trough incredible findings about how everything works, its connected and how you find certain patterns that are the same everywhere. There are many parallelisms that are given between our physics, chemistry, biology, etc... and the vast majority of systems used by cultures that we considered from the stone age. The mayan calendrics, for example, where number 20 of the 20 aminoacids that construct all living organisms or the 20 fingers of the human body and number 13, of the thirteen major body articulations or the thirteen molecule strands that make up the exterior lining of the mictotubules, match with things like the thirteen month calendar that the mayans used, or their 260 day cycle calendar, named Tzolkin wich worked with 20 symbols and 13 musical tones... it was a musical calendar, that also matches with the idea that everything is made up of resonating frecuencies. We could add that right now, scientists as Walter Cruttenden or John Major Jehnkins have prooved that the mayan calendrics work perfectly with the cycle of our galaxy, that is of 26000 years, 13000 of day and 13000 of night, as we approach or move away from the galaxies brigth band at its center. Now, if we look at all this from a fractal point of view, and we take in account that everything goes from micro to macro and is connected, could it be a nice way of understanding the connection?
Vern: I look at the connection being between FPSs and projecting itself here. If you take Dan Winters work and some of the other people that do the Sacred Geometries, they find all kind of numerical connections that are more than incidental. So you can take the sounds that you speak and they have a verbal and geometric dimension to them. So all those kinds of things today exist and thats one of the amazing things about information today. You start putting it all together and you begin to see how it all correlates. So they are working out this thing called M-Theory, wich is the theory of everything, and the thing that they havent included yet is the consciousness dimension, because everything is conscious, its made of information, so they have to take that into account and, to my knowledge, nobody is done that yet. And thats why they cant get M-Theory to work. But Einstein got it when he said, well, you know, there is this constant that i dont know what it is. He thought that it was the worst mistake he ever made, but actually it made everything work. He called it C. So maybe thats a little C, or maybe theres some constant that comes from consciousness that makes it work. And I think I really only care that we make a difference know, that, you know, ensure that my great grand children have water to drink and a world in wich to live. And we are setting for a cataclismic change, and we need to get together and ensure that we have a future, as a species.
Marco: Ok, we are done.
Vern: Thanks Marco.
Marco: Thank you Vern.
Vern: Okay.For more information:
www.holodynamics.com
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